SPEAKER 0 Welcome to today's session, uh which as you can see is building digital communities in the humanities and social sciences. Uh This panel which is graciously hosted by the Federation and its wonderful congress team is part of a larger Shirt connection grant funded event series uh of the same name. Thanks to those of you who were able to join us yesterday for our, our couple of events, we have a career corner session and also an aligned workshop uh for academic societies. Um My name is Graham Jensen. Uh I'm one of the organizers for this session and event series as well as an assistant director and my tax school doctor fellow in the Electronic Textual Cultures Lab at the University of Victoria. I'm delighted to see you all here. Uh And I'm looking forward to what promise is an engaging generative discussion about, for example, digital research comments and digital research infrastructure and how those things can facilitate new forms of open, collaborative and ethical community building. Uh Before passing things off, I'd just like to draw your attention if I could to the next um event in our series, it will take place virtually on Wednesday June 7th, um and also in person. Um We'll be recording it uh and they'll be part of the larger Digital Humanity Summer Institute event uh at the U I campus in Victoria. If you're interested in learning more about that, uh I'd invite you to check out DH SI dot org. Uh and we'd love to see you uh at that follow up event if you're able to make it in person or um I think it's now time for me to introduce our, our wonderful chair for today. Uh So welcome to Jason Boyd, uh who will in turn be introducing our featured speakers and moderating the Q and A period to follow. Uh Jason Boyd is a specialist in digital Humanities uh and an associate professor in the Department of English at Ryerson and the Director of Rison's Center for Downtown Toronto SPEAKER 1 Metropolitan University. SPEAKER 0 My apologies. Uh Also assistant Director of the Digital Humanities Summer Institute. Um Welcome Jason, I was over to you. SPEAKER 1 Thank you. Thank you. I welcome everyone. Um I just wanted to um start off this session land acknowledgement. So um I'm taking this from the land acknowledgement. So that's part of the, the Federation for your university. Um The university campus and my campus as well. Toronto Metropolitan University, which is downtown downtown Toronto um are on the traditional tour of many indigenous nations. Um The area known as has been care taken by the Anisha Nation, the Confederacy and the is now home to many first nation, inhuman and communities as we would like to acknowledge the current treaty holders, the Mississauga of the credit first Nation. Um And this territory is also subject to the district of covenant and agreement to peacefully share and care for the Great Lakes region. Um So it's um I'm, I want to thank, you know, DH S Commons for asking me to moderate this session. Um And we have three speakers today who will each speak for about 50 minutes and then we'll have a question uh period after that. Um I'll introduce um each of the speakers before they speak. So our first speaker is Hannah Pavo. Um She's the lead policy at the Federation for the Humanities and Social Sciences in this role. She leads the Federation's public policy and advocacy portfolio with a focus on open science and funding for humanities and social sciences research. Prior to joining the Federation, she worked in Research Impact at King's College London where she completed a phd in film and French philosophy. Her research was awarded the King's Outstanding phd thesis Prize in, I'll turn it over now to thank you so SPEAKER 2 much. Uh Thank you for the introduction and to Graham and the inc partnership for inviting me. It's such a pleasure to be here with you all today. Um As many of, you know, the Federation is the National Voice for the Humanities and Social Sciences. Uh History can be traced back to 1940 with the founding of the Canadian Social Science Research Council. And I invite you all to go to our website as we have a really interesting timeline of the Federation's history. Um really fascinating reading. So today, as a membership based organization of over 100 and 60 scholarly associations, universities and colleges, we represent over 91,000 researchers and graduate students across Canada and virtually all humanities and social sciences disciplines. We can understand the Federation's role as representing and convening but also importantly, fostering a humanities and social sciences community in Canada. So what I'd like to take us through today are the transformations the Federation has made to its three core programs over the past year to leverage the possibilities of digital tools and digital modes of engagement for building a more inclusive HSS humanities and social sciences community. So it's important to think about the HSS community expansively, not only those who study research and teach in these disciplines, but also other sectors, other communities, other publics who engage with this work and key to the Federation's mission is to draw those connections. I'll begin by setting the scene for these transformations and why they matter now. So we're at a really critical moment for the research community at large. Uh We're coming out of the emergency of the pandemic where a lot of our habitual ways of working engaging have to be rethought. We're having important reckoning with the racism and colonialism embedded in our practices and institutions and the sustained work needed to advance equity, diversity, inclusion and decolonization in our community is urgent and ongoing. At the same time, the supports for research and researchers in Canada are dwindling. Um So the 2023 federal budget was widely received as a major disappointment for the research community with very few commitments to the sector whatsoever. Um And no new money for the granting councils such as trick. Despite United Advocacy, there was notable silence on facing on support for Canada's graduate students and postdoctoral scholars who are really facing um rising costs and stagnating funding levels and this is a real priority for their federation right now. So at a time when countries such as the US uh with the Chips and Sciences Act, for instance, uh in the UK are making major investments in research, Canada is falling behind and in the wake of the budget. And as the government continues its consultation of the report of the advisory panel on the federal research support system, we're seeing growing momentum around the need for a new national vision and a major investment in research in Canada. So this brings us to the question. Uh how do we ensure the lessons learned over the past years? The actions on Ed I and decolonization and the vital perspectives of the humanities and social sciences, drive this vision, digital tools and modes of engagement will be more important than ever. In order to strengthen our community and confront these challenges at a very pivotal time from the Federation perspective. While the pandemic was a catalyst for experimenting with new digital ways of connecting uh the HSS community. And um it's seeing how these practices could address barriers to access and participation that has really driven longer term changes in our core programs. The annual Congress of the Humanities and Social Sciences is Case in Point Congress is now in its 92nd year and it's the place where we gather to share research and ideas to create and deepen connections and spark collaborations in returning to in-person gathering. After two virtual Congresses, it was clear that integrating multiple forms of engagement was the way forward going virtual. We learned important lessons uh in some ways, we saw how Congress could open up to members of our community who face barriers related to geography, uh including visa permits, uh who face barriers related to financial costs of travel or who have specific accessibility needs or dependent care responsibilities. In other ways. It was a very important reminder that digital spaces reproduce these barriers and inequities and that in order to make Congress more inclusive and accessible, we need to make sure those principles guide the infrastructures and supports we develop. This is top of mind as we experiment with a range of hybrid formats at this year's congress, how can we ensure we're expanding opportunities for the HSS community to come together without creating a sense of divide between those gathering in person and those who are online. Um And this is one of the many reasons that the Federation is a strong supporter of the Canadian HSS Commons. Um and the work of the inc partnership in creating these digital spaces for our community, these digital Commons that go beyond and outside of Congress. So many of you may be familiar with big thinking at Congress. But since 1994 we've been holding this series at Parliament Hill in Ottawa to connect leading humanities and social sciences research with issues of public interest and policy relevance. When we were forced to shift online in 2020 we saw a significant uptake from the HSS community across Canada. So yes, students and researchers, but also civil society, community members and policy makers. Again, we saw an opportunity to kind of think differently about how we could engage and build community. And last fall, we launched the Big Thinking podcast uh leveraging a different medium to bring these conversations beyond Congress, beyond Ottawa audiences and particularly to reach listeners working outside of academia. With season three coming up this fall, we're exploring paths for more direct outreach. So having these conversations digitally accessible is kind of the initial step. Uh but work is needed to make sure we're actually developing this broader listenership. Um So that is uh our focus for for the next um iteration of this season. This consideration. Similarly animates our work with the scholarly book Awards program and specifically the cha uh the changes we've recently announced to support open access in the humanities and social sciences and facilitating free digital access to important contributions of our disciplines in French and English, as well as in indigenous languages. We're creating opportunities for more of our community to read and engage uh regardless of affiliation sector and location. And at the same time, we're making sure that costs aren't being passed on to the author in terms of A P CS article processing charges and that we're helping to defray costs for publishers. So just a bit of background on this program, it was, you know, it continues to be formally called the Words to Scholarly Publications program, but we're going with this new scholarly book awards moniker. Um and it helps fund 100 and 80 books each year from, from publishers of all sizes. And this is roughly 20% of all academic books published in Canada each year. So it's a really sizable uh portion of the scholarly publishing landscape in April. The federation announced a major investment uh to its scholarly book awards program and this was of course in partnership with Sherk. The investment supports key changes to the program including measures to embed equity diversity, inclusion and decolonization at all stages of the application and review process. Uh increases to the amount of translation grants including a dedicated translation grant for indigenous languages. Uh Most islet to our discussion today. Uh It included dedicated supplemental grants to support and facilitate open access publishing. And alongside that, we have kind of phased in uh targets for open access and I can talk a little bit more about that, but I'm happy to, to kind of continue our discussion um in the Q and A portion. So to get into some of the the specifics around this open access publishing, uh grant and target. Uh So we're now offering 100 and eight supplemental grants over the next three years. So half of those are going to scholarly books and we're uh offering an additional $8000 for each book that is going to be published in open access. Um And then half of that is going for access chapters. Um And again, that is $2000 to help, you know, fund uh the open access publishing of those chapters as well. So, alongside these grants, we're phasing in targets. Um So year one, we're looking at 5% of all a spp funded books uh to be open access. So that's nine or so books at this point. Uh year two, we have 10% and then year 3 15%. Um And we're really going to be monitoring at each stage of this um cycle of this three year funding series um to, to ensure that uh there are our commitments to open access and how it's been rolling out are aligned and reflect the needs of our community. Alongside this announcement, the federation recently convened leading voices across the open scholarship and scholarly publishing ecosystem um including some of us in the room today. So we have um fod as well as a race and our buckle on behalf of Inc as well. Um And really the the idea behind this conversation was to discuss the present and future of open access publishing in Canada and in particular, from the vantage point of the humanities and social sciences. And what that conversation made clear um among many things uh was the importance of an equitable and sustainable path to open access. So we're thinking of, you know, a path to open access that's reflective of indigenous cultural protocols and that's reflective of our community's linguistic diversity. And also that, that doesn't necessarily rely on uh A P CS and authors paying. Um so getting away from that model with the scholarly book awards, we're committed, as I've mentioned to monitoring and evaluating the introduction of these grants and targets and to build this future of open access. Uh We really need a coordinated national approach to funding open access publishing and infrastructures. And it's really great to be joined here today. And hopefully, again, we can get into this into the discussion um by two, you know, leaders in creating these infrastructures at the Canadian Digital Commons and the partnership and also Kenya today who will be talking with us. Um but also coalition public, we have an opportunity right now collectively to define the the vision of Can Canada's research community and what we invest in moving forward with the changes the Federation has made to its programs. So Congress big thinking uh scholarly book awards, we see how digital tools and modes of engagement are critical to advancing a more equitable and inclusive HSS community that connects students and researchers with broader sectors and publics. So, thank you very much and I look forward to your questions. SPEAKER 1 Thank you, Hannah. Um So we'll have the questions at the end. Um I'll now introduce our second speaker. Uh Julia Muller is an assistant professor at the University of British Columbia School of Information where she examines how communities instantiate their values in infrastructure, particularly through the design of knowledge organization systems. Her current work focuses on how catalogs can more fully represent LGBT qi A plus communities and how traditional cataloging represents indigenous topics. She holds a phd in Information studies from the University of Texas at Austin and Mlis from the University of British Columbia and Ma uh in Cultural Studies and Critical Theory from mcmaster University. SPEAKER 3 Thank you so much. Good morning, everyone. Um I'm still a little bit on Vancouver time, so like really good morning. Uh I'm very happy to um to be here um visiting from the high school where I am an uninvited guest on Mus territory. Um And most of the work that I'm gonna be talking to you about today was conducted on the unseated territory of the SS and the two people. Uh So, uh as you know, from that kind of introduction, um I am a high school professor uh where I study knowledge organization. Um So I talk about today is the way that metadata as an infrastructure for scholarly communication creates friction in which some kinds of work are easier to find, easier to add to the uh scholarly con conversation. While others experience uh not being anticipated by the system, being more difficult to describe in the system and therefore harder to uh find access and to connect with others. Uh So the way that I approach the study of knowledge, organization or how works are described for organization and for discovery is as infrastructure. Uh So I have an image here of the very recent uh this week's um article about the removal of the Stanley Park bike lane uh through the park. Uh uh Next to downtown Vancouver, the uh path, this uh the vehicle path that goes through Stanley Park uh created a bike, a temporary bike lane uh uh during COVID um which became a matter of breakdown in the usual flows for some people who were using their vehicles to get around the park while it actually created usable infrastructure for others on bicycles and other devices to reach other parts of the park safely. So the way that I study, um, infrastructure is that it tends to be invisible if it's working well for you. Uh If you can easily access all the parts of Stanley Park in the way that you get around, you definitely don't think about the road. You think about the trees and the people you're with, but as soon as it creates friction, as soon as you feel in danger from having to share uh lane with motor vehicles. Um or if you experience a lot of traffic congestion, you are suddenly thinking about the infrastructure. So infrastructure tends to be invisible in favor of the thing that it's actually featuring but becomes visible upon this idea of breakdown. So the bigger ideas that I want to talk about today are the kind of coordination that we do around infra infrastructure metadata as infrastructure. Uh So largely what I'll be talking about is the centralized back end facilitation of metadata. So the invisible work that goes into making your books, your articles, uh your creative works mindful by others. Um But then there are also a pushback on these centralized processes from community led practices of description and labeling. So where those moments of breakdown happen, where the system is broken enough that you notice it occurring. Uh We have several examples of people participating more intentionally in creating their own practices, either to lobby those centralized systems for different practices or to create their own sustainable practices despite the infrastructure. So as an example of centralized uh information organization uh infrastructure that gets a lot of resistance. I have uh been conducting a study uh with sharks support called subjects from the margins in which we've been studying Library Congress subject headings from the point of view of which they are most likely to fail. So Library Congress subject headings you'll see are on pretty much every book published uh through English language publishers um primarily in the US and Canada, but all around the world and these are centrally managed. Uh There's been a couple of high profile cases in which uh the American government has pushed back against librarian led effort to update these um vocabularies. And though a lot of the work of describing and making it accessible, things like journal articles happens locally, there is this reliance on this centralized infrastructure, both from the ease of having a control already instituted. But for things like copy, cataloging as well and being able to share and be consistent in approaches across libraries so that once you learn the system in one institution, you'll reliably be able to find your work in another. So with the subjects of the margin studies, we interviewed authors whose works were labeled with L CS H like Indians of North America, asking them primarily if their work, if the subject headings applied to their work were accurate to the content of their work. And if the language in the subject headings was actually the language they use in the work itself. But also if it's the terms that they would use to try to find works by others, if it's the language that they use in their scholarly societies, um If this is actually representative of what we would call the world literary warrant, where the best evidence possible for the word we should use comes from the experts themselves through their work. Um They said no, and it's not accurate in many cases. Um So starting from this point of view of the works that were at least likely to work well in this colonial centralized system, we found an obvious, very enthusiastic uh denial of the accuracy of the headings likes in North America, but also a lot of less obvious ways in which sort of like cracks appear. Um when you apply these centralized systems to marginalized topics. As a more fun example, I've done work with uh fan fiction community on their sort of community led practices of doing description work. So the screenshot I have here is from archive of our own dot org. Um And uh for any of you who actually looked back into how a thesaurus and like the metadata world functions, you're trying to bring together synonyms that regardless of how people describe their own work or typos and things like that, that they're actually accessible under a single heading. And so rather than create one vocabulary and having everyone have to adapt to that archive created a metadata infrastructure in which authors creators can use whatever term they want. And then on the back end, there's a lot of invisible work done by hundreds of people in volare labor, often librarians on their off hours or M I assumes on their off hours at least been weaving together all these synonyms into uh the system to create a single authoritative um some tag for a concept that will appear in things like autocomplete. But there will be all these search results together regardless of what someone initially started with and also create hierarchies. So we have here, the canonical term is alternate you universe library. If you wanted to see a story about like the X men, but they don't have superpowers, they just work in a library start um that have the meta tags, tags of uh broader terms of alter universe and libraries and have a uh wealth of very creative and linguistically uh uh different ways of expressing this idea of the story is different because it takes place in the library like shit. I forgot to mention that this is a library A U. Uh This is a more fun example of the way that community practices and community values in this case of the creative freedom of authors and also of a celebration of variety and transformation change the labor practices and change the infrastructure to reduce friction in terms of access for users, but especially to reduce friction for the experience of uploading your work but only possible because of the massive volunteer labor that goes into the invisible work of creating these uh synonyms in the thesaurus structure. A couple more examples uh that projects that I've supervised um and helped with the community. There's the downtown East Side research access portal that is uh run through the U BC learning exchange. It's a partnership between uh U BC libraries and SFU Libraries that brings um in an accessible way, the research about the da attorney side community in Vancouver to the residents. So creating a metadata infrastructure there that prioritizes fields like the accessibility of the item, whether it's open access, that prioritizes related works, so that there's a video version of the same research, there's a plain language summary of the same research whenever those things are available. And on the right hand side from out of the shelves library, which is the local queer volunteer run library in Vancouver in which they've moved to this tag feature in which they not only are using the terms the authors themselves use in their own works. Um But they're also describing the identity of those authors using those authors own language. Um sometimes by pulling from biographies, but sometimes through direct consultation with the authors that we can say things like you can search through our catalog for um works by former refugees, works by queer authors. Um And so this was led by uh an understanding of the reference level of what kind of queries come into the library, but also engagement with creators of prioritizing their way of expressing themselves in a system where you do also want to facilitate broad access. I also want to give a brief shout out to uh the name change policy working group, my phd student uh Watson was one of the founding members of this group that has been lobbying journals following societies and publishers to have more flexible policies for changing your name in uh journal metadata. So that for example, you have changed your name through marriage or um as part of gender affirmation that your scholarly record will still remain connected and that you will hear the way you want to in these systems. We've had a lot of success over the last couple of years and we've been making these changes through journals through very kind form of library and bullying. OK. So what does this have to do with the HSS commons metadata? So I just want to talk a bit about the context in which the metadata that comes into the commons is being affected by these other factors. And then a brief idea of the kind of choices that could be made depending on like the will of the participants and the values that we notice um being important for access, but for being consistent with the ethics of your scholarly communities and you as creators. So these other things that I've talked about. The Library of Congress subject headings, office supply keywords, which is like rated by existence. Not so very exciting and it, it's a problem kind of way. Um And then the journal indic that's done by publishers on individual journals or, or sets of uh publications are all coming into the s commons metadata, either through direct ingestion and aggregation or through this like subtle process by which we copy the keywords left in our works from other publishing sources. So we sort of like inherit or copy over the way that our works especially been been described in terms of subject access. So things like subject keywords, genre, things like that. So in this um scenario, in which a lot of work that will end up in the HSS comments has been previously published or is part of work moving to work that will be published in other venues. What kind of friction might we notice with the way that the HSS comments is set up or the practices that result in this uh interplay between the systems? So the questions I want to ask are, where is there friction in adding to describing resources or projects? And how does being anticipated or not by a system like the commons affect your participation in it? So uh there's a number of different ways in which you are asked to or someone will do on your behalf, create metadata for the items that you add to the repository. Um So you have to name things. Actually, this is actually be existence titles at first. Um You have for the sake of um reliably being able to, as an identifier, you have to create a single name for things in projects and never change it again. Um You have to give uh publications subjects uh which are one of the truly free text fields in here and that these publication tags as subjects are built into this system in which you will be anticipated or not by behaviors of other participants in the system. So how other people have described their works before? So the questions I wanna ask is in which places in here? Would you try to add your work and find a moment of doubt that the thing that genre, the type of thing that you're working on doesn't quite fit into a dropdown list or like radio button list for a thing like genre. Um When do you experience a moment of overwhelming choice when it comes to an autocomplete list that seems to have many different terms? That kind of, what do you mean? What does that create do? When does that create friction and what kind of friction are, are we happy with having a system for the sake of having freedom and being accessible to a really wide audience? And so there's choice choices that commons makes and there's choices that contributors make. The comments have made. The choice of having free text tag fields. So not to limit your control vocabulary but having this auto complete that's being fed by previously inter tags, trying to develop some synonymy and hopefully good spelling um by sort of crowd behavior to contribute, your choices might mean copying the subject metadata from your source into tags. I hope it if anything just give you like a moment down the next time you do that, uh you might enter Multilingual tags so that your work will be accessible despite um the language of the other uh objects on the repository of similar subject. But you might also see go tags applied to similar works, navigate around the uh system that way. OK. So that was my brief introduction to the kind of decisions that we could be making in the commons around description. Uh I just want to reiterate that this kind of uh interplay between the centralized um facilitation often like the labor funding, uh nitty gritty and visible work bit. Um can only really happen when there is sufficient crowd contributor value led um movement from the contributors and the scholarly associations. So how you label your work does matter always. But in this case, it actually the first critical mass of what ends up in the comments, you could end up leading some better practice. SPEAKER 1 Thank you, Julia. Uh Our third speaker Tanya Neiman, uh she works in mobilizing and convening the academic and cultural communities to promote the dissemination of knowledge and the democratization of knowledge in French and to ensure a fair equitable and sustainable transition of Canadian scholarly journals to digital open access. After graduating from the University of Leipzig in Germany, a place she was there last summer teaching at the European Summer University um with a master's degree in communication and media studies. Tanya joined the IUD Consortium as a coordinator and became its executive director in 2012 driven by provision D has become one of the leading digital research infrastructures in Canada, SPEAKER 0 China. SPEAKER 2 Good morning. SPEAKER 4 Very happy to be here. Uh Thank you for the introduction. Thank you so much for the beginning. You all and permission to welcome us here. Uh This morning, I'm very happy to talk to you about the and coalition public. I'm very happy about the talks I have heard before because I can absolutely build on it. I think very interesting what you all said. Thank you so much, Robert. Uh So I'm yes, the uh exe executive director of A MD. I work at University of uh and I would just say um I think I work in a very complex environment. Uh I feel it that we all do that, but I am just giving you AAA heads up here for 15 minutes. Maybe it, it's complex. I try to focus on some things, but there are a lot of other things. Uh There's a big iceberg still under the, under the water about this. It's about techno technology, technology and infrastructure. It's about uh research impact visibility. Uh It is about metadata, it is about open access and economic. So I I hope in the 15 minutes I can talk in a coherent way. Very happy to answer any questions. I'm going to do a short introduction about D and coalition publicly. I talk a little bit about the environment, touch on community, which is the topic today. Uh And then uh actually, so what is coalition public? What is the, and what is PKP which is part of coalition public as well? It's a partnership, coalition public between uh these infrastructure providers, the dot org platform and the Public knowledge project. Who does the open journal system, uh software, I get there in a more detailed way very soon we work coast to coast in coalition public really with a lot of users in Canada using this infrastructure on a daily basis. Others using, using it from, from different perspectives. Some are really doing journal publishing it with it. Some use it as a database for searching content for searching PDF and find articles to do new research. Uh Others are contributing with code or others are librarians hosting open journal systems and libraries across camp. So our project, our aim with this project is to advance research dissemination and digital scholarly publishing, internet. And uh together we are really working towards uh with the community and social sciences and humanities because of a lot of journal publishing in uh in Canada is done in these fields uh by, by the community, not necessarily with, with big publishers. It's, it's a community driven uh project and the organizations uh we are working in our uh really um anchored within our community, our universities that the government's part as well. But government uh and community led um the campuses across uh and also we uh the support of a lot of, a lot of yeah, finances from different parts. Uh So this is when I say it's complex, it's also complex because uh to find the money to do these things is very complex. Uh We have a big uh major science initiative uh grant from the Foundation for Innovation uh in the social sciences and humanities. There are not so much big science initiatives. There are in total only 19 and there is one which is only dedicated to humanities, which is ours, the coalition public. There is also the Canadian Center for Research Center for Data cr DC N Data Network Centers uh which are doing statistics, data and so on. They work a lot of in social sciences. But the other initiatives that Canada recognizes and its major science initiatives are uh um the proton Accelerator or a big ship uh in the Arctic and so on. So really big other science initiatives, not so much Social sciences. And we managed over the time to complete this funding with other different sources. So we have a really big pie chart with a lot of corners and get to this funding of different the every platform host uh journals uh main in French, but also a lot in English. We are working a lot during the last years to aggregate more and more English language content. And this is one of our really uh strategic developments because in uh Canada, we have a a system which evolved in parallel a little bit. And in Quebec, there was this idea of a centralized access to these journals around the platform and in the other provinces, there were the academic libraries taking care of these things, but using the open journal system software and hosting them within the library and working with the journals there individually. But these journals were scattered around the country on different servers. So what we try to build with the RD platform is to have of the extent and a central access point where we can access the Canadian research outputs and social sciences and humanities and journal articles from one single access point to enhance the visibility and the then you want more. So a lot of um I have here the the image of the D platform and the index of the journals. And uh you may also know these kind of images where Canadian journals use open journal system and they built their own identity with, with this tool uh with open journal system, you manage your editorial workflow, you can receive manuscripts, contact the authors and just do a reminder, you need to submit your article of evaluation and so on, but you can also build your visibility. So and the journals we are talking about when I talk about this project, you know that we are at the Federation now and there are a lot of um a lot of uh events from the society. So all these societies that you see on the list, if you go to the Federation website, they almost all have a journal and almost all of these journals use either MD or OGS or uh University of Toronto Press or, you know, we Canadian societies really use still a lot of Canadian uh tools, infrastructure, service providers to do these things. And I say that because uh in other countries, it's not necessarily the same. There is a lot of uh we, we are competing with the commercial infrastructure and commercial service providers there. Uh So the particularity really here is that we have access to these tools, infrastructure funded publicly and supported by our university uh infrastructure uh by, by our universities to build this um community driven. So uh in coalition public, we can, can explain it uh in layers or I try to explain it here a little bit in layers. There is an infrastructure layer, ogsn dot org. Uh And Julia just talked about meta data. This is really a big part of the day to day work uh that we do. And I think we are one of the centralized infrastructures who, who are not doing very well uh in respecting, you know, the differences and the diversity. And we are really in, still in a colonized, really colonial approach to, to these things. And we know we are very aware that these things need to change and we start talking and building the projects and to get there. But it's, it's still at the beginning I you, you get me, we should talk more. Um And then on this infrastructure and techno technology, it's a service layer because technology without services, uh it's, it's hard to get in touch with the user. Uh So uh a journal that wants to use this technology also needs to know a little bit about the environment. Like what, what are, what are correct metadata? Somebody needs to explain it. You need to do some documentation, you, you need to talk about that. What is the dy uh persistent identifier? What is the strategy for preservation uh in these things? So these are uh discussions and conversations that our team has on a daily basis with the Canadian researchers who are working in these journals and submitting uh articles to the journal. And then there is uh the layer of course, of uh the economic model. How do we finance what we do? How do we support this transition to uh more accessibility uh to our content, open access, open science. Uh and we work very closely with the Canadians Memories on that, but also with other international library research to make sure that uh we kind of find a way to sell uh open access and the access uh to this uh to this Canadian content for the future and still have uh some means to support the community with who is really doing the editorial activities. Because because running a journal has some costs, you need to pay editorial assistance, you need to pay uh people who work on the text, the translators, uh sometimes it's technical support that you need to finance uh and so on. So uh we work together with the libraries on a partnership for access where they still, where the libraries still finance money like in like in sub subscription system, but it's not a subscription system uh where they um get uh get in a deal with coalition public. Uh because they recognize the need to support uh this content producers who are the journal and the researchers uh uh in their day to day work as a broker in the middle redistribute this money then uh towards the journals, which kind of completes the journals independent budget that they have in order to run these trips. And yes, ensuring visibility, increasing the impact of Canadian research outputs is uh it's a, it's a complex thing because you need to work with a lot of different partners and stakeholders. I talked about that in the beginning, it's technology but it's also community building. It is uh working, you know, with, with um with people who work in, in like very international things to make sure that this this content is discoverable, indexed and big international catalogs and and so on. So I just give you a small overview here of some of these partners uh that and we work closely with where we have contracts or agreements with to exchange uh metadata allowed uh to enhance this meta data uh to talk about open access, to lobby about the things and to, to make sure that the the needs uh and sometimes also the particular special needs for from the humanities and social sciences community are recognized within the broader conversation, which is really, really. Uh So I talked about this a little bit uh already. Uh the environment of, of Canadian journal publishing is one where we found out over uh some studies that we did over the last time that we are still talking here about more than 800 individual journals uh in, in the country which are uh where the publisher is Canadian. So it's not, you know, there are a lot of journals but sometimes the publisher may be uh uh a abroad. There are more than 800 journals where we can identify that they are really tied to a Canadian mainly university or, or a Canadian uh Scholarly Asso Association. And so on. And um three third of them, three quarters you talk are uh in, in. So this is what I said before. It's really uh typical in HSS true journal publishing in a not for profit, not commercial home run community driven uh way. And also uh open access is very uh very present. Almost half of these journals are in open access without any delay already. Uh And then there is another quarter which is uh an open access where all the archives may be an open access, but they may still use a 12 months or 24 months or three year month moving law. So as you may know, we have in Canada uh the um the tri agency policy policy for open access, which is still 12, 12, 12 months. So a lot of journalists when we talk to them say, oh, I am already in open access because I'm I I respect this policy of 12 months. And then then you talk to a librarian who says, oh, this is a paywall journal there. So the perceptions of what is open access and how do we get there? What does it mean? Uh are really a big challenge and then the picture is really changing from one year to another. Uh I think we can, we can anticipate in the next years that the discussion is, is heavily evolving as you may be aware. Also in Quebec, the Quebec government decided to um to sign the coalition as uh and to make sure that uh uh all the Quebec publicly funded research is compliant with the plan as uh criteria, which means full open access without no barrier 12. As we have 12 months on the, on the federal side and we have zero months now. On the Quebec side, it's a true challenge for us currently and I hope that we will align in Canada soon, different policies. And yes, again, this one, I I said it and I say it again, these journals are community driven academic lab and, and own and with coalition public and the OG software are working hard to support this and community is really uh part of, of what I do and what we do around this project every day, it's the foundation of all this work uh because what we do is call the collective action and collective action without community uh does not work. Uh so to work uh with everybody here to come to Congress and Federation and to meet the researchers uh to go to the libraries, to talk uh with different research groups about these things and to do representation, to talk about the needs of the scholars in this field is really a very important part of what we do. And we have created a governance structure around that which allows us to be in a constant conversation about this. Also, we have created our own coalition public and international advisory committee where we have a lot of partners from different initiatives uh around the country who do the, the same or almost the same always in their national context. But there are uh people from Europe, there are people from Latin America where we have a very strong tradition in this kind of open access and open infrastructure. And we have other, you know, um technology service providers which work with us. So we have one international advisory committee and one stakeholder advisory committee where we work more closely with the Canadian community, the libraries, the researchers, the journals and so on to discuss uh the the open access and open infrastructure uh evolution currently. And then we to keep this conversation going, we also have user groups, one where the journals are together, one where the libraries are together. But these two groups also come together because it's very important that they talk together and the same and I put here uh um a citation from Cameron Na, which is already from 2015. But for me, it's one very relevant to, to what we do. And he, he said trust must run strongly and across each of the following areas. Running the infrastructure with governance, funding it, sustainability and preserving community ownership of it is an insurance. So these are really like governance, sustainability insurance that for instance, that this uh infrastructure that we built, that cannot be sold easily towards uh commercial interest is really important. So uh so working on agreements with our universities where we make sure that if there is a change in governance at the universities and not an individual can suddenly decide to sell what we do to, to a commercial publishing company is really, really important. Talking about big, big publishing companies, we talk about them as the big five, they make a lot of profit. We are not for profit, but we are still there. And I think we are a lot. The, the the number of users that we have is really showing us that it's worth it uh to continue to stand behind these big commercial companies. Uh And um yeah, I just leave it there as an image. And I say to you, there is hope uh that these things are going to move uh at a good pace during the next years. Uh If I look, I talk about these things and I work in this for more than 15 years now. And there is a huge evolution of uh of the discourse about how we talk about these things, the understanding of the environment and so on. I'm very happy to see that last week came out. It's on the top, on the left uh a new road map from the Canadian uh academic libraries which is called towards open scholarship, a Canadian research and academic library action plan 2025. Very important because there is a lot of recognition that collectively we need to invest uh in open infrastructure and in community build uh infrastructure. Uh There are more, there is more and more discussion that things which are community led and uh where we don't charge authors and readers uh in order to access uh the, the content uh there is we, we have a name for that. It's called Diamond Open access. Uh And there is more and more recognition in the really and the policy making that we do in uh in Europe uh in the US. Uh We start to talk about it a little bit in Canada but that the, that the um ultimate goal that we all need to achieve is something like Diamond Open Access where we are really uh talking about infrastructure community and not commercially driven. Uh And where uh the excess is immediate with no fee. So um I think you're going to, if you are interested in these things, you're going to hear a lot about um about the evolution of the policy and how you're working a lot on that also. And Canada soon, you know, where, where this road map will go more precisely. And uh yeah, to, to finish there on positive note, what we do in Canada with Coalition Republica PKP and ND we are not alone, there are other initiatives across the country and it's really nice to see also how we all come more and more together about this. Uh This idea of diamond open access. Uh I, we are invited all in the end of September in Mexico, close to West Mexico City by our colleagues from Red Lake to join together with Science Europe and the Planets Diamond Project and so on to come together and to build something like of all these national initiatives to get together and to have a stronger voice together, which is very necessary. So I'm very looking forward to all this evolution and I finished that. Thank you so much.